Rob Portman’s Role in the Ukraine Controversy

Rob Portman’s Role in the Ukraine Controversy


>>>ROB PORTMAN’S ROLE IN THE
UKRAINE CONTROVERSY AND THE
GOVERNOR PUTS HIS GUN PLAN
BEFORE LAWMAKERS.
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JOINING US ON COLUMBUS ON THE
RECORD THIS WEEK, JESSE BOWLARD
FOR THE CINCINNATI INQUIRER, AND
JAY INGALLS FOR OHIO PUBLIC
RADIO, JIM KRANTZ, AND JOSEPH
MOTT OF THE HISPANIC COALITION.
ROB PORTMAN FINDS HIMSELF AT
LEAST ON THE EDGES OF THE
IMPEACHMENT CONTROVERSY.
PORTMAN IS CO-CHAIR OF THE
CONGRESSIONAL UKRAINE CAUCUS AND
BEFORE PRESIDENT TRUMP’S
INFAMOUS CONVERSATION WITH
ZELENSKY, ON THE THEN-FROZEN AID
TO UKRAINE.
HE SENT OUT A SERIES OF TWEETS
THAT IT WAS VITAL TO FEND OFF
RUSSIA AND HE URGED THE
ADMINISTRATION TO RELEASE THE
MONEY AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS.
IT WAS PORTMAN THAT GOT HIM TO
RELEASE THE MONEY.
PORTMAN CLAIMS TRUMP TOLD HIM HE
WAS HOLDING UP THE MONEY TO GET
OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO DO
MORE.
PORTMAN DID NOT MENTION REQUESTS
FOR AN INVESTIGATION.
ROB PORTMAN WAS UPSET IN A ROB
PORTMAN KIND OF WAY THAT THE AID
WAS BEING HELD UP, BUT HE IS
STILL STICKING WITH THE
PRESIDENT SAYING THERE IS NO
QUID PRO QUO.
>>THEY NOT A REAL FERVOR TO ROB
PORTMAN’S UPSET LEVEL, BUT YEAH,
AS A PERSON WHO IS LIKE YOU
SAID, CO-CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE
HE WANTED THIS AID MONEY GOING
TO THE UKRAINE AND WHEN HE HAD A
CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE, AND
VARIOUS LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT
EVENTUALLY WITH THE PRESIDENT,
HE WAS BEING TOLD IT WAS BEING
HELD UP BECAUSE HE WANTED A
GREATER DEAL FOR THE EUROPEAN
COUNTRIES TO BE PUTTING MORE
MONEY INTO MILITARY AID FOR THE
UKRAINE.
NOW THE WHISTLE-BLOWER REPORT IS
SAYING THAT IN THE CONVERSATION
BETWEEN THE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT
AND PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT TRUMP
ASKED HIM TO DO AN INVESTIGATION
INTO THE CHALLENGER JOE BIDEN
AND JOE BIDEN IS SAYING HE
DIDN’T LEARN ABOUT THE BIDEN
ALLEGATIONS UNTIL EVERYONE ELSE
DID.
>>HE HEARD THE FIRST HALF OF
THE CALL AND THEY DIDN’T TELL
THE STORY STRAIGHT AND HE WAS
CONCERNED ABOUT CORRUPTION IN
UKRAINE, AND APPARENTLY, THE
STORY IS FLUID.
ROB PORTMAN ALSO WROTE A LETTER
WITH SHARON BROWN WITH MEMBERS
OF CONGRESS URGING UKRAINE TO
GET RID OF THE PROSECUTOR WHO
WAS THE SUBJECT OF THIS WHOLE
THING AND MUCH LIKE JOE BIDEN
WAS PUSHING FOR US AND IT’S
REALLY KIND OF COMPLICATED,
GENE?
>>YES, IT IS VERY COMPLICATED,
AND I’M WAITING FOR SUBWAY TO
COME UP WITH A 16-FOOT WIDE FLOW
CHART TO HELP EVERYBODY
UNDERSTAND IT.
THIS IS — HOW DO I PUT THIS?
THIS IS BECOMING SOMETHING THAT
EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO PARSE
THROUGH, BUT THE QUESTION IS CAN
PEOPLE STEP BACK FROM THEIR
PRE-CONCEIVED IDEAS OF WHAT
TRUMP DID OR WHAT ANY DEMOCRAT
OR REPUBLICANS SAY AND BE ABLE
TO LOOK AT THIS IN A MANNER THAT
FOR THEMSELVES BEGIN TO
UNDERSTAND?
THAT’S WHAT I FIND DISTURBING
ABOUT THIS THING IS THAT
EVERYBODY’S BEING LOOKING AT
THIS AND IT’S LIKE ON THE
INTERNET A WHILE BACK THEY HAD
THIS THING THAT HAD A PAIR OF
TENNIS SHOES AND IT’S EITHER
GREEN OR GRAY OR PINK OR
WHATEVER AND EVERYBODY’S LOOKING
AT THIS ISSUE FROM THAT
PERSPECTIVE AND IT’S NOT HELPFUL
FOR THE DEMOCRACY TO DO THAT.
THE REPUBLICANS SEE THE LETTER
AND THE PHONE CALL DIFFERENTLY
AND MARK DEWINE IS A MODERATE,
MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN.
>>RIGHT.
AND THEY’RE KIND OF STILL
LOOKING AT THE WHOLE SITUATION
THINKING I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S
GOING ON HERE, AND I THINK
YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, GENE.
I THINK PEOPLE LOOK AT IT FROM
THE LENS OF THE POLITICS THAT
THEY MOST IDENTIFY WITH, BUT I
THINK, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE’RE
STARTING TO SEE EVERY DAY
THERE’S SOMETHING NEW COMING OUT
ON THIS, AND SO AS MORE AND MORE
COMES OUT, I THINK THAT’S WHERE
WE’LL SEE PEOPLE LOOKING AT THE
FACTS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND LESS
OF A POLITICAL SPIN.
>>IT’S STARTING TO TURN A
LITTLE BIT NATIONALLY AND 51% OF
AMERICANS FAVOR AN IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY.
IF YOU LOOK AT OHIO VOTERS, 47%
OF OHIOANS SUPPORT ACTUAL
IMPEACHMENT AND 43% OPPOSE
IMPEACHING THE PRESIDENT AND 10%
ARE UNSURE.
JESSIE, HOW DO YOU MAKE UP THOSE
NUMBERS?
IT’S DIVIDED, OF COURSE, AND
THAT’S A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER FOR
IMPEACHING THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
>>YEAH.
I THINK WE’LL FIND OUT A LOT
MORE AND TO THE DEMOCRATS’
POLITICAL BENEFIT THIS WILL PLAY
OUT OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS
WHILE WE’RE ALL WORKING ON THE
2020 PRESIDENTIAL RACE WHICH I’M
SURE IS AT LEAST A FACTOR IN
THIS, BUT I THINK AS WE FIND OUT
MORE INFORMATION HOPEFULLY WE’LL
ALL HAVE A BETTER IDEA ABOUT IT
AND IMAGINE THE IMPEACHMENT
NUMBERS BREAK DOWN ABOUT WHAT
THEY DID BEFORE THE SITUATION
WITH THE UKRAINE CAME OUT AND
THE LETTER LISTS THE PHONE CALL
AND THE WHISTLE-BLOWER AND
SOMETHING THAT’S EASIER TO
UNDERSTAND FOR THE AVERAGE
PERSON THAN THE ENTIRE RUSSIAN
SAGA, AND SO I THINK THAT’S ONE
REASON WHY DEMOCRATS ARE MOVING
FORWARD ON THIS IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY BECAUSE THIS IS
SOMETHING PEOPLE CAN GRASP.
>>TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE
FOR GOOD AND FOR BAD, BEFORE
PRESIDENT NIXON’S RESIGNATION,
THE SUPPORT FOR IMPEACHMENT OR
THE PROCEEDING WITH IMPEACHMENT
WAS 44%, BUT TWO DAYS AFTER THE
ELECTION OR I SHOULD SAY, TWO
DAYS AFTER DONALD TRUMP GOT
SWORN IN SUPPORT FOR IMPEACHMENT
WAS AT 40%.
SO THE NUMBERS MOVE, BUT THEY
DON’T MOVE THAT MUCH.
>>GENE, YOU LIVE OUTSIDE THE
COLUMBUS BUBBLE.
WHAT’S THE FEELING IN
SOUTHWESTERN OHIO.
FIRST OF ALL, TRUMP HAD — IN
ORDER FOR HIM TO ACHIEVE
REELECTION IN 2020 HE HAD TO
KEEP THE MPR G.O.P. AND 20, 25%
OF THE POPULATION AND THEY
LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH AND SEAN
HANNITY AND LISTEN TO NPR, AND
HE HAS TO WIN — HE HAS TO WIN
IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM.
WHAT THIS HAS DONE IS THEIR
NEEDS TOWARDS HIM, BUT THE 80%
OF THE GOP OR MY NECK OF THE
WOODS AND THE 90% OF THE GOP
THAT’S ALWAYS FIRMLY BACKED HIM,
THEY ARE BACKING HIM JUST AS
HARD AND IT’S — I HAVE TO BE
CAREFUL BECAUSE I LIKE PLAYING
WITH BOTH THE Ds AND THE Rs
WHERE I LIVE AND THROWING OUT
LITTLE THINGS TO SEE HOW THEY
RESPOND TO IT LIKE SHAKING THEM
UP AND SEEING IF THEY FIGHT AND
IT’S HARD BECAUSE I BRING UP
THINGS BECAUSE IS IT APPROPRIATE
TO INVESTIGATE HUNTERED BIEN AND
THEY GO OFF INTO HOW EVIL TRUMP
IS.
WITH THE MEDIA AND I HATE IT
CRITICIZE YOU BECAUSE YOU DO BUY
TRUMP, AS THEY SAY AND WHEN
TRUMP SAID I HAVE A FAVOR, I
WANT TO ASK YOU A FAVOR, YOU
LEAVE OFF THE WORD THOUGH, AND
THE WORD “THOUGH” HAS A MUCH —
YOU ADD THAT WORD TO THAT
PHRASE, AND I BRING THIS UP IT
MY REPUBLICAN FRIENDS BACK HOME,
AND THEY ALL GO, OH, NO, NO, NO.
HE DIDN’T SAY THAT.
WELL, IT’S RIGHT HERE.
THE MINORITY LEADER OF THE
HOUSE —
>>IT WAS ON “60 MINUTES” LAST
WEEK.
I BROUGHT UP ABOUT TRUMP
THROWING PENCE UNDER A BUS.
THIS WAS ALL NEWS TO THEM.
I HAD TO SHOW THEM THE VIDEO.
PEOPLE DON’T WANT — THEY MADE
UP THEIR MIND.
>>THEY WATCH CERTAIN CHANNELS.
>>AND THEY WANT — AND SO THIS
IS WHY I’M VERY MUCH AFRAID FOR
HOW ETHICAL THEY’LL GO THROUGH
THIS AND IF ANY NEW FACTS COME
OUT THAT VINDICATE TRUMP OR
COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, INCINERATE
HIM, PEOPLE WON’T PAY ATTENTION
TO THIS.
>>I THINK ONE THING, MIKE, THAT
WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF
RIGHT NOW AND ESPECIALLY WITH
THE EMERSON POLL, IT HAS
PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEY LOOKED AT
YOUNGER VOTERS AND THERE WERE
SOME DEMOCRATS AND SOME THINGS,
BUT THE THING WE HAVE TO
REMEMBER IS THAT WE ARE A YEAR
OUT.
>>AND YOU KNOW —
>>PRESIDENT TRUMP IS UNDER
WATER IN OHIO AT LEAST RIGHT
NOW.
FIRST, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO
PICK A CANDIDATE AND THE OHIO
DEMOCRATS LIKE THE THREE
FRONT-RUNNERS, JOE BIDEN, BERNIE
SANDERS AND ELIZABETH WARREN AND
BERNIE SANDERS IS AT 27% AND
ELIZABETH WARREN AT 21% AND NOT
THAT FAR BEHIND GIVEN THE MARGIN
OF ERROR AND HYPOTHETICAL
MATCHUPS ARE ALL THREE, BIDEN,
SANDERS AND WARREN WOULD BEAT
THE PRESIDENT BY FIVE POINTS.
REMEMBER TRUMP WON OHIO BY EIGHT
POINTS LAST TIME AROUND.
GENE, AS JOE MENTIONED, THE
YOUNGER VOTERS MAY IS SAMPLED
MORE THAN OLDER VOTERS
PERCENTAGE WISE AND WE’RE A WEIR
AND A MONTH AWAY AND WHAT DOES
IT TELL YOU ABOUT OHIO?
IT’S STILL A FAIR AMOUNT OF
SUPPORT AND IF I WAS SITTING
THERE AS AN ELECTED REPUBLICAN
OFFICIAL, HERE’S MY FEAR AND
THIS IS A THEME YOU’LL BE
REFERRING TO ON TODAY’S SHOW IS
WE ALL HAVE GLASS CEILINGS AND
THE REPUBLICAN OFFICEHOLDER HAS
TO BE CAREFUL.
IF THEY ACTUALLY SAY ANYTHING
ACCURATE, BUT UNKIND ABOUT TRUMP
THEY WILL COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW,
LOSE THEIR BASE.
AT THE SAME TIME, IF THEY DON’T
BEGIN TO MAKE EFFORTS AT WHAT
POINT IN TIME CAN THEY BEGIN TO
SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM TRUMP
IF STUFF CONTINUES TO COME OUT,
THEY WILL PUT A PERMANENT GLASS
CEILING.
YOU WANT AN EXAMPLE OF A GLASS
CEILING IS THE TAX INCREASE OF
THE EARLY 80s.
WE USE THAT TO COMPLETELY SQUASH
ANY POLITICAL CAREER OF ANY
DEMOCRAT SERVING IN THAT GENERAL
ASSEMBLY AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
THEY ALL KNOW THIS AND THE
QUESTION GOING THROUGH THEIR
HEAD IS WILL THIS PERM MINUTELY
KILL MY ABILITY.
>>TRUMP’S BEEN IN OHIO, JOE, A
COUPLE OF TIMES AND OVER THE
PAST THREE MONTHS, I BELIEVE AND
HE’S BEING LOOK AT THESE POLLS.
>>HE’S LOOKING AT THESE POLLS.
>>AND THE DEMOCRATS, AND
THEY’LL ALL BE HERE THIS COMING
BEAK FOR THE DEBATE, BUT THE
THING IS YEAH, THEY’RE COMING
INTO OHIO, BUT AGAIN, IT’S A
ONE-TIME BEFORE NOW AND THEN AND
WE’VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT
CAN HAPPEN WITH THIS IMPEACHMENT
PROCESS AND THERE ARE THINGS
THAT COULD SPIN THE OTHER WAY
THAT COULD LOOK PRETTY BAD ON
THE DEMOCRATS.
>>I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IF IT’S
SANDERS, IF IT’S WARREN, IF IT’S
BIDEN, I THINK TRUMP HAS A
DECENT CHANCE AT WINNING.
THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT I SEE ON
THE D SIDE IS MAYOR PETE FROM
FORT WHITE.
>>JOE, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
>>I DISAGREE AND I DO LIKE
MAYOR PETE AND I THINK IT WOULD
BE GREAT TO HAVE HIM AS A
CANDIDATE AND HE’S
EXTRAORDINARILY SMART, BUT I
THINK AT THE SAME TIME, I AGREE
THAT THE POLLING IS ACCURATE, IF
THE VOTE WERE TO BE HELD TODAY,
AND I THINK THAT THEY WOULD
DEFEAT — THAT WOULD DEFEAT
TRUMP.
>>HERE’S HOW THIS GAME SEEMS TO
WORK, THOUGH.
WE TEND TO SWING — THE PENDULUM
SWINGS FROM ONE TYPE OF
PRESIDENT TO THE EXTREME OF THE
OTHER.
OKAY?
AND SO WHO IS THE MOST OPPOSITE
PERSON IN THE DEMOCRATIC FIELD
TO TRUMP AND IT IS BUTTIGIEG OR
HOWEVER YOU SAY HIS NAME.
>>YEAH.
>>ONE PROBLEM.
>>YEAH.
THERE’S ONE PROBLEM WITH HIM,
AND THAT’S WHY WHEN THE VOTERS
DECIDE TO SWING TO SOMETHING
COMPLETELY OPPOSITE.
LOOK WHAT THEY DID FOR OBAMA.
>>THE PROBLEM WITH LOOKING BACK
AT HISTORY, AND I RESPECT YOUR
KNOWLEDGE THEREOF IS THAT YOU
CAN’T ALSO LOOK AT IT.
I THINK THAT EACH TIME IT’S A
LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, JEAN.
ONE THING THEY FOUND REALLY
INTERESTING IN LOOKING INSIDE
THIS SAME POLL IS HOW ARE THE
DEMOCRATS SUPPORTING THOSE THREE
CANDIDATES?
BECAUSE WHO IS SUPPORTING BIDEN,
YOU KNOW, VERSUS — IT’S TOTALLY
DIFFERENT THE 18 TO 29-YEAR-OLDS
VERSES THE FOLKS MY AGE THAT
TEND TO SUPPORT BIDEN.
SO I THINK THAT AS A PARTY
OPERATIVE I WOULD WANT TO LOOK
AT WHO IS GOING TO COME OUT AND
VOTE NO MATTER WHAT, AND WHO
NEEDS TO BE INSPIRED, BUT AT THE
END OF THE DAY THE PARTY DOESN’T
PICK THE CANDIDATES.
JOE BIDEN WILL BE THE MOST
OHIO-LIKE MAN TO LEAD TRUMP.
THEY’RE HEAD TO HEAD IN THIS
POLL.
I THINK THE THREE NAMES ON THE
LIST ARE THE THREE ABOUT THE
MOST RECOGNITION, THE PEOPLE
I’VE HEARD OF THAT HAVE BEEN IN
THE NEWS AND SO I AM KIND OF
SURPRISED THAT ALL THREE OF THEM
ARE SO CLOSE AND STOCKED UP WHEN
THEY HAVE SUCH DIFFERENT
POLICIES AND POSITIONS ON THINGS
LIKE HEALTH CARE OR YOU KNOW,
JUST HOW HE ADDRESSES TAXES IN
THE STATE.
SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING IF
PEOPLE GET TO KNOW THESE PEOPLE
BEYOND THEIR PAST PERSONAS,
THOUGH I THINK BOTH REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS WOULD AGREE THAT
JOE BIDEN COULD DO WELL HERE.
I THINK BERNIE SANDERS SHOWED A
LOT OF ENTHUSIASM THE LAST TIME
HE RAN THROUGH OHIO AND THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED
SOME OF HIS RALLIES WERE
SOMETIMES RIVALLED DONALD TRUMP
IN SOME INSTANCES.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE TWO PEOPLE
WHO, IT’S NOT SURPRISING THAT
THEY’RE ON THE LIST.
>>TIM RYAN SPOKE TO US THIS
WEEK AND SAID HE IS IN THE
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN UNTIL THE
END.
UNLESS HE’S THE NOMINEE OR HE
WINS THE PRESIDENCY.
>>HE DECIDES —
>>HE HAS THAT RIGHT TO DO SO,
BUT HE’S NOT GOING TO BE ON THE
STAGE IN OHIO.
DO YOU REMEMBER HOW CRITICAL
THAT WAS FOR JOHN KASICH TOIC MA
THE DEBATE STAGE IN CLEVELAND
WHEN THE GOP WAS RUNNING IN
2016.
SO I’M NOT SURE WHAT TIM RYAN’S
ENDGAME IS WITH THIS, TO BUILD
STATEWIDE NAME RECOGNITION.
I DON’T KNOW.
>>HERE’S THE THING ABOUT TIM.
HIS SEAT IS NOW ON THE BUBBLE.
IF REPUBLICANS HAD COME UP WITH
A GOOD CANDIDATE THE LAST TIME
THEY WOULD HAVE MOUNTED ONE
AGAINST HIM AND HE ALSO KNOWS
THAT — HOW DO I WANT TO PUT
THIS?
AS LONG AS TIM WANTS TO RUN FOR
CONGRESS IN YOUNGSTOWN, THE
REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN HAPPY TO
LET HIM DO SO, BUT THERE ARE
SOME THINGS IN HIS BACKGROUND
THAT WOULD DESTROY HIM IF HE
RUNS STATEWIDE AND THE SAME
THING FOR NOW.
THAT’S WHY HIS GOAL IS NOT TO
SERVE AGAIN IN CONGRESS.
HIS GOAL IS TO GET SOME POSITION
SOMEWHERE AND HE ANNOUNCED HIS
ENDORSEMENT FOR THE LIKELY
NOMINEE AT SOME POINT IN TIME
AND HOPE THAT HE MADE
UNDERSECRETARY OF SOMETHING.
>>ALL RIGHT.
UNLESS IT GOES INTO OVERTIME,
THERE ARE TWO WEEKS LEFT IN THE
PREEMPTIVE CAMPAIGN OVER THE
NUCLEAR BAILOUT LAW REPEAL.
OPPONENTS TO THE BAILOUT HAVE
UNTIL OCTOBER 21st TO COLLECT
THE 265,000 SIGNATURES THEY NEED
TO PUT A REPEAL ON THE BALLOT.
BOTH SIDES ARE RUNNING TV ADS
URGING PEOPLE TO SIGN OR NOT TO
SIGN THE PETITION AND THE PRO
BAILOUT SIDE HAS COME UP WITH
ANOTHER TRICK AND IT’S URGING
PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED THE
PETITION TO REMOVE THEIR NAMES.
THE LAW ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR THIS
AND THE GROUP TIED TO THE OWNER
OF THE NEW PLANT PROVIDES A FORM
FOR PEOPLE TO FILL OUT AND SEND
TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE’S
OFFICE TO REMOVE THEIR NAME
JESSIE, THIS IS A REACH.
PEOPLE WHAT IF PEOPLE SIGNED IT
AND NOW I’M HAVING SECOND
THOUGHTS AND PUT IT IN THE MAIL.
>>I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’VE SEEN A
CAMPAIGN QUITE LIKE THIS ONE IN
OHIO EVEN BEFORE IT’S ON THE
BALLOT.
SO I MEAN, YOU HAVE SEVERAL
GROUPS THAT ARE WORKING AGAINST
THIS EFFORT TO PUT HOUSE BILL 6
UP FOR REFERENDUM, ESSENTIALLY
MONEY FOR SUBSIDIES FOR TWO
NUCLEAR PLANTS UP IN NORTHERN
OHIO AND ALSO SOME MONEY FOR
SOME COAL PLANTS AND A FEW SOLAR
PLANTS AND THEY WOULD ALSO BE
RESTRICTING RENEWABLE ENERGY AND
ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
SO THERE IS THE — YOU COULD
HAVE A DEBATE ON WHETHER THIS IS
A GOOD PIECE OF LEGISLATION
WHETHER IT HELPS WITH THE ENERGY
GRID, BUT WHAT WE’RE REALLY
HAVING A DEBATE OVER RIGHT NOW
IS SHOULD YOU SIGN A SIGNATURE?
CAN YOU BE ASSAULTED WHILE
SIGNING A SIGNATURE?
IT’S JUST GETTING TO BE A BIT OF
A CLOWN CAR.
>>IT IS.
>>EVERY MEMBER OF THE ASSEMBLY,
IF THEY’RE SMART, ARE RID NOW
WHO VOTED FOR HOUSE BILL 6 ARE
PRAYING FOR THE PETITION TO
WORK, AND THAT THEN FIRST ENERGY
PULLS THE PLUG ON THE PLANTS AND
ALL OF THAT AND THEN IT BECOMES
MOOT AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE —
GO BACK TO GLASS CEILINGS,
EVERYBODY WHO VOTED YES ON HOUSE
BILL SIX ESPECIALLY IF THIS
PETITION COMES OUT AND THE
ADVERTISING FOR THIS COMES OUT
FOR WHAT ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW,
SUBSIDY FOR THE BIG, CORPORATE
INTEREST COMES OUT THEY HAVE A
REALLY THICK GLASS CEILING ABOVE
THEM AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND
NONE OF THEM WILL BE ABLE TO RUN
STATEWIDE.
THEIR BEST HOPE ACTUALLY IS TO
HAVE IT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW,
PETITIONS GET FILED.
THE NUKE PLANTS GO DOWN
POLITICALLY AND THEN — BOOM.
THEY’RE SLIGHTLY OFF THE HOOK.
>>BUT, LET’S PUT IT THIS WAY.
I THINK IT’S A HARD THING FOR
THE ANTI-BAILOUT SIDE TO BE ABLE
TO GET THESE PETITIONS ENOUGH OF
THEM, BY THE TIME THEY NEED TO
GET IT, BUT IF THEY DO, THE
BAILOUT SIDE HAS SHOT THEMSELVES
IN THE FOOT BECAUSE THEY PUT
THEMSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE
THEY’VE ACTUALLY MADE A
30-SECOND COMMERCIAL FOR THE
OTHER SIDE.
I MEAN, CAN YOU IMAGINE?
IT’S GOING TO BE, OKAY, WELL,
THESE PEOPLE DIDN’T WANT YOU TO
HAVE THIS AND THEY DIDN’T WANT
YOU TO HAVE THAT, NOW YOU CAN
STICK IT TO THEM.
VOTE HERE, YOU KNOW?
I CAN SEE IT RIGHT NOW IN MY
HEAD.
>>YEAH.
WHAT’S THE DEAL WITH THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE FOLLOWING THE
PETITION —
>>THE PETITION BLOCKERS?
>>BASICALLY, IF YOU ARE SOMEONE
THAT WANTS TO SIGN A PETITION
THEY’RE STANDING NEXT TO YOU
SAYING WOULD YOU CONSIDER NOT
SIGNING IT BECAUSE THIS IS OUR
ARGUMENT.
>>SO THEY’RE HAVING A DEBATE ON
THE STREET AND THEY’VE GOTTEN A
LITTLE BIT ON OCCASION.
>>AND CONSIDER WHO IS HAVING
THAT DEBATE.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PAID
PETITION SIGNATURE GATHERERS AND
THEY’RE NOT EXACTLY THE PEOPLE
WHO HAD THE MOST KNOWLEDGE ABOUT
THE ISSUE TO ACTUALLY DEBATE IT?
>>WAS THIS THE FUTURE OF
POLITICS?
>>FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
WE’RE GOING THROUGH OUR VERSION
OF THE 1850s.
IF IT WORKS, PEOPLE WILL TRY IT
AGAIN.
MONDAY GOVERNOR DEWINE IS
PUTTING HIS 17-POINT PLAN
FORMALLY BEFORE LAWMAKERS AND
HIS ORIGINAL PLAN CALLED FOR
TOUGHER BACKGROUND CHECKS AND
MORE RED FLAG LAW AND MORE
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND THE
HOUSE DEMOCRAT DEMAND THE
REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP TO HOLD
HEARINGS ON ANOTHER SPATE OF
BILLS THEY SAY WILL REDUCE GUN
VIOLENCE AND MASS SHOOTINGS.
>>THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE WE
STARTED TAKING UP AND ONE WE
STARTED TALKING TO ARE THE
SPEAKER AND HOUSE LEADERSHIP
ABOUT AND WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE
WILL HAVE THESE HEARINGS AND AS
I SAID BEFORE, THE GOOD IDEAS
CAN RISE TO THE TOP AND WE CAN
START TO IMPLEMENT ON GOOD,
COMMON SENSE GUN SAFETY
LEGISLATION IN OHIO.
>>IF YOU’RE A BETTING MAN, WHAT
ARE THE ODDS THE TOUGHER GUN
REGS BECOME LAW?
>>YEAH, BUT I’M NOT HEARING
ANYTHING TOUGH IN THESE
PROPOSALS.
THIS IS ONE CASE.
>>IF YOU’RE AN ARDENT GUN
SUPPORTER YOU DON’T WANT THEM.
>>AS A MATTER OF FACT, I’VE
COME TO BELIEVE THAT NONE OF
THESE THINGS ARE EVER GOING TO
PASS, AT LEAST NOT IN THE NEXT
TEN YEARS LIKE JEAN SAYS, BUT IF
YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSALS
THEY’RE SIMILAR TO THE
GOVERNOR’S PROPOSALS AS FAR AS
THE RED FLAG TYPE OF THING AND
THE DEMOCRATS WOULD LIKE TO BE
ABLE TO HAVE A HEARING AND AN EX
PARTE HEARING AS A LAWYER.
IT’S NOT MUCH.
>>IT HAS TO DO WITH THE PRIMARY
SYSTEM WHICH WE CALL FOR CHOICE
VOTING.
AND IT’S BECAUSE FOR THE
REPUBLICANS, YOU HAVE TO BE
PERFECT ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT
OR THE PATH TO THE PRIMARY.
ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE IT’S BEFORE
GUN CONTROL TO PASS THROUGH A
PRIMARY.
THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT WHAT THE
SIDES ARE DOING SO THE
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTERS WILL
NOT TRUST ANYBODY WHO SAYS I’M
GOING TO COMPROMISE WITH MY
DEMOCRAT COLLEAGUES.
NO, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU CAN’T.
SO YOU NEED TO RESTRUCTURE THE
DEBATE.
YOU HAD TO BLOW IT ALL UP.
>>DO WE EXPECT GOVERNOR
DEWINE’S LEGISLATION ANY
DIFFERENT THAN THE PROPOSAL THAT
HE UNVEILED IN THE SUMMERTIME?
>>THINK IT WOULD BE ONE BILL
WHICH IS INTERESTING IF THEY ALL
HOLD TOGETHER, AND SO IF IT WILL
SINK OR SWIM TOGETHER THAT COULD
BE INTERESTING.
I THINK PEOPLE SEE SOMETHING
THAT’S EASIER THAN OTHERS AND
THINGS LIKE FIXING THE
BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM BY
ADDING MORE TYPES OF THINGS THAT
NEED TO BE SUBMITTED OR MAKING
IT EASIER FOR COUNTY COURTS TO
SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION.
>>THE VAPING, JEAN, AND THEY
BAN THE SALE OF E-CIGARETTE
PRODUCTS AND THEY COME AFTER THE
DEATHS LINKED TO VAPING.
THE GOVERNOR MAINTAINED THE
FLAVORED CIGARETTES HOOK KIDS ON
NICOTINE.
>>WE DO KNOW THE CONCERNS THAT
PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE ABOUT VAPING,
BUT OUR FOCUS WILL REMAIN ON
CHILDREN.
OUR FOCUS WILL REMAIN ON YOUNG
PEOPLE THAT’S WHERE I THINK WE
HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION.
IT’S THE RESPONSIBLE THING FOR
US TO DO.
>>THE VAPING INDUSTRY AND ITS
SUPPORTERS HAVE THEIR SAY THIS
WEEK, AS WELL AND 200 RALLIED AT
THE STATE HOUSE RALLIED IN
SUPPORT AND THEY’RE SAFER THAN
CIGARETTES AND THEY HELP PEOPLE
KICK THE HABIT AND JOE INGALLS
AND WE KNOW HOW HEALTH OFFICIALS
FEEL AND THE PRO-VAPING FOLKS
FEEL.
HOW DO LAWMAKERS FEEL?
THE LAWMAKERS ARE SPLIT ON THIS
AND SOME OF THE LAWMAKERS THINK
YES, WE HAVE TO CRACK DOWN ON
THIS AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE MORE
REGULATION OVER THIS AND MAYBE
EVEN BAN THE FLAVORED
CIGARETTES.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BILLS THAT
DO THAT, BUT BY AND LARGE THERE
IS NOT A CONSENSUS AND THE
EDUCATION PART OF IT AND WE SEE
THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND
THERE’S THEIR 3.3 MILLION BEING
PUT INTO PREVENTION AND THOSE
KIND OF EFFORTS SEEM TO BE MORE
POPULAR AND THERE IS A DEBATE ON
THIS AND IT IS GOING TO BE
HEEDED.
>>I BELIEVE SOMETHING WILL PASS
TO BE RESTRICTED BECAUSE THE
WHITE COLLAR WORLD SIMPLY DOES
NOT SMOKE ANYMORE.
THEY DO NOT KNOW DO THAT AND THE
GENERAL ASSEMBLY, WHO DO THEY
ASSOCIATE WITH?
THE WHITE COLLAR WORLD AND THEY
DON’T KNOW ANY SMOKERS AND IT’S
ANOTHER CASE OF BRINGING UP THE
CLASS POSITIONS THAT ARE
INCREASINGLY UNCOMMON, BUT
UNSPOKEN OF IN OHIO AND I THINK
YOU’LL SEE SOMETHING PASS AND IT
WON’T AFFECT THE PEOPLE AND LAST
WEEK THEY BANNED THE FLAVORED.
AND WAS IT JUST FLAVORED ONES?
>>THEY DID THE DISCUSSION THAT
I HEARD ON THE RADIO WAS
FLAVORED AND YOU MAY BE RIGHT.
I KNOW YOU KEEP CLOSE TABS ON
WHAT’S GOING ON THERE AND
SOMETHING MIKE DEWINE WOULD NOT
DO.
>>LET’S GET TO PARTING SHOTS.
JOE, YOU FIRST.
>>OH, EXCUSE ME!
I APPRECIATE IT!
THIS WEEK MARKS THE SECOND
ANNIVERSARY OF SPINEL ENTERING
THE CHURCH.
SHE HAD THE OPTION OF AVOIDING
DEPORTATION, BUT SHE DECIDED TO
DO THIS BRAVELY BY OFFERING
HIMSELF AS A SYMBOL OF
RESISTANCE TO UNFAIR IMMIGRATION
PRACTICES ALLOWING THE GREATER
COMMUNITY AND POLITICAL LEADERS
TO RALLY AROUND HER CAUSE.
>>JIM?
>>SO LAST TIME I WAS ON THEY
SAID THERE WOULD BE AN INTERIM
BUDGET.
THEY WOULDN’T SIGN IT.
I WAS RIGHT AND TWO WEEKS AFTER
THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THE REAL
BUDGET PEOPLE WENT, THIS WON’T
WORK.
WE NEED ABOUT A 6% REDUCTION IN
REVENUE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THE
RECESSION IS CREEPING OUR WAY.
>>JO, NOW YOU’RE UP.
>>LAST MONTH THE SECRETARY OF
STATE DID THE VOTER REMOVAL,
SOME VOTERS HAVE BEEN REMOVED
AND WE KNOW THAT THE
REGISTRATION DEADLINE IS MONDAY.
SO EVERYONE SHOULD GO ON THE
SECRETARY OF STATE’S WEBSITE, IF
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION.
IF YOU HAVEN’T VOTED IN THE LAST
TWO OR THREE ELECTIONS, GET ON
THERE AND CHECK YOUR NAME TO
MAKE SURE IT’S THERE.
>>JESSIE?
>>THIS WEEK THE OHIO HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES PASSED A MEASURE
THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO HAVE
ALCOHOLIC ICE CREAM DELIVERED TO
YOUR DOOR.
SO THAT COULD BE COMING TO A
DOOR DASH NEAR YOU.
>>YOU STOLE MY OFF THE RECORD
IRONY.
NO FLAVORED CIGARETTES, AND KIDS
DO NOT LIKE ICE CREAM.
SO THIS WILL WORK.
FACEBOOK, TWITTER AND OUR
WEBSITE, WOSU.ORG.
HAVE A GOOD WEEK.
MM
MM

4 thoughts on “Rob Portman’s Role in the Ukraine Controversy

  • We should all be in fear that our elders do not understand what is happening with the online attack of other countries. Please watch "the great hack" on Netflix. People all around you are literally being brainwashed. Cambridge analytica targeted me as a home schooler knew just what to push at me in fine detail, they knew every detail. I got brainwashed to vote 3rd party convinced my vote would mean more sending a message. Now if they v used that info against me, imagine these lone shooters, and the Trump cult. They are using our own weaponry on us and many people around us CAN not understand what is happening to them. We wanted to end extremists, they brought on this extremism :*(

  • I would hate to think Rob Portman is a guaranteed vote for business-as-usual, i.e., the Trump Administration’s insistence on 2020 election favors in trade for long-term Ukrainian and European security. But we will see how this shakes out.

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