Joaquin Phoenix on Playing Joker + Exclusive Outtake


>>Jimmy: THANK YOU FOR COMING.
>>THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>>Jimmy: I SAW JOKER LAST NIGHT
AND I’M NOW SCARE OF YOU.
I HAVE TO SAY.
IT REALLY WAS AN AMAZING,
INCREDIBLE PERFORMANCE.
ARE YOU PROUD OF IT?
ARE YOU AWARE OF HOW GOOD IT IS?
>>UM.
>>Jimmy: THAT’S A TOUGH
QUESTION, RIGHT?
>>THAT IS A TOUGH QUESTION.
>>Jimmy: YOU LOOK LIKE A JERK
IF YOU SAY YES, BUT YOU’RE LYING
IF YOU SAY NO.
>>A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T GET IT.
>>Jimmy: YOU WERE GREAT.
I’LL JUST SAY THAT.
>>THANK YOU.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>>Jimmy: YOU LOOK NOW VERY
MUSCULAR.
YOU WERE SO SKINNY IN THE MOVIE,
AND REALLY LOOKED SICKLY.
DID YOU, HOW MUCH WEIGHT DID YOU
LOSE FOR THAT?
>>OH, I DON’T KNOW.
>>Jimmy: A LOT, THOUGH, RIGHT?
>>A LITTLE BIT.
>>Jimmy: YEAH, A LITTLE BIT.
AND IS THAT AS TERRIBLE AS I
WOULD IMAGINE IT TO BE?
HAVING A FINITE AMOUNT OF TIME
AND PEOPLE COUNTING ON YOU TO
LOSE WEIGHT FOR A MOVIE?
>>IT IS DIFFICULT AT TIMES.
>>Jimmy: UH-HUH.
>>BUT THEN THERE’S SOMETHING
VERY EMPOWERING ABOUT IT AS
WELL.
>>Jimmy: IS THERE?
>>YEAH.
>>Jimmy: WHAT?
>>YEAH.
I THINK JUST HAVING THAT LEVEL
OF CONTROL OF YOURSELF.
>>Jimmy: UH-HUH.
>>IN THE BEGINNING, YOU’RE
EXHAUSTED.
>>Jimmy: UH-HUH.
>>YOU LOOK AT A FLIGHT OF
STAIRS AND IT TAKES 30 SECONDS,
YOU HAVE TO TALK YOURSELF INTO
IT.
I CAN DO THIS, I KNOW I CAN DO
THIS.
BUT THEN ONCE YOU’VE REACHED
YOUR TARGET WEIGHT, I DON’T KNOW
WHAT HAPPENS.
IT’S INCREDIBLE.
YOU SUDDENLY FEEL ENERGIZED AND
EXCITED.
>>Jimmy: MAYBE YOUR STOMACH
SHRIVELS UP TO THE SIZE OF A
RAISIN AND YOU DON’T WANT ANY
MORE FOOD.
>>NO, YOU WANT FOOD.
>>Jimmy: SOMETIMES I WILL FAST
FOR THE DAY AND LOOK AT RECIPES
ONLINE.
AND I’LL SAY I NEED TO SAVE
THAT, I NEED TO MAKE THAT
CHEESEBURGER, I GOT TO DO THIS.
>>IT’S TOUGH.
BECAUSE YOU CAN’T WATCH TV.
A COMMERCIAL COMES ON FOR FOOD
AND [ BLEEP ].
>>Jimmy: YOU START THINKING,
I’M GOIN’ TO THE SIZZLER.
>>I’M VEGAN.
SO I DON’T DO THAT.
>>Jimmy: THEY’VE GOT A LOT OF
CHICKPEAS.
>>YEAH, IT REARS ITS HEAD IN
WEIRD WAYS, IN DREAMS.
>>Jimmy: DO YOU GO OUT TO
DINNER WITH PEOPLE AND DON’T
EAT?
>>NO, YOU DON’T SOCIALIZE.
>>Jimmy: YOU DO NOT SOCIALIZE?
>>NO, NOT AT ALL.
PEOPLE DON’T REALIZE, OUR
ACTIVITIES REVOLVE AROUND FOOD
AND DRINK.
[ BLEEP ].
>>Jimmy: AND EXPLAINING TO THE
WAITER, I’M NOT EATING, I’M PART
OF A MOVIE, OH, WHAT MOVIE ARE
YOU DOING?
I’M DOING “JOKER.”
AND YOU CAN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT
THE MOVIE, RIGHT?
IT’S STILL PRETTY SECRET.
>>I CAN.
>>Jimmy: BUT YOU PROBABLY
SHOULDN’T.
>>SHOULD WE TEST IT?
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GO?
>>Jimmy: THE FUNNY THING IS
THESE PEOPLE CHEERING RIGHT NOW
WOULD BE THE MADDEST PEOPLE.
IF JOAQUIN WERE TO TELL YOU WHAT
HAPPENS IN THE MOVIE RIGHT NOW,
PEOPLE WOULD WALK OUT OF HERE
PISSED
>>MAYBE NOT.
>>Jimmy: GIVE IT A GO.
LET’S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>>THE VERY LAST SCENE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
NO, WHAT’S FUN ABOUT THIS MOVIE
IS IT REALLY KEEPS YOU GUESSING.
YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
>>Jimmy: YEAH.
>>AND SO I WOULDN’T WANT TO
RUIN THAT FOR ANYBODY.
LIKE I THINK IT’S FUN.
MY SISTERS, MY WHOLE FAMILY CAME
TO THE PREMIERE.
>>Jimmy: UH-HUH.
>>AFTERWARD, WE WENT TO MY
PLACE AND MY SISTERS GOT INTO A
HEATED DECISION ABOUT WHAT THE
MOVIE WAS ABOUT, WHAT IT MEANT.
THEY WERE REALLY ENGAGED IN A
WAY THAT THEY HAVEN’T BEEN WITH
OTHER MOVIES OF MINE.
THEY HAVEN’T SEEN MY OTHER
MOVIES, BUT —
[ LAUGHTER ]
BUT THEY WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN AS
ENGAGED.
>>Jimmy: DO YOU ANSWER ANY OF
THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE?
OR YOU STAY OUT OF IT.
>>NO, IT’S GREAT.
>>Jimmy: YOU JUST LIKE TO SEE
IT HAPPEN.
EVEN THOUGH I HAD NO ROLE IN THE
MOVIE, I EXPLAINED IT TO
EVERYONE AT WORK.
WE HAD A SCREENING AND WE WERE
DISCUSSING IT AND I ACT AS IF I
AM THE AUTHORITY.
I DO HAVE A THEORY ABOUT THE
END.
I CAN’T SAY BECAUSE IT WOULD
RUIN IT, BUT I’LL TELL YOU
DURING THE COMMERCIAL BREAK MY
THEORY.
ARE YOU A MYSTERIOUS MAN, WOULD
PEOPLE FIND YOU TO BE MYSTERE
US.
>>>>WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
>>Jimmy: I FEEL THAT WE DON’T
KNOW A TON ABOUT YOU PERSONALLY.
IS THAT INTENTIONAL?
>>I DON’T KNOW A LOT ABOUT YOU.
>>Jimmy: THAT’S JUST BECAUSE
YOU DON’T WATCH THE SHOW.
MOST PEOPLE TELL ME THEY KNOW
FAR TOO MUCH ABOUT ME.
THEY WOULD PREFER TO KNOW A
LITTLE BIT LESS ABOUT ME.
BUT I WOULD ASK YOU A COUPLE OF
VERY RANDOM QUESTIONS, OKAY?
I THINK THIS WILL BE FUN FOR
YOU.
>>OKAY, I’M EXCITED.
>>Jimmy: OKAY.
FIRST MOVIE YOU EVER SAW IN A
THEATER?
>>I DON’T REMEMBER.
>>Jimmy: YOU DON’T REMEMBER?
WOW.
>>HOLD ON.
I GOT IT.
IT’S RIGHT THERE, IT’S RIGHT
THERE, HOLD ON.
NO, I HAVE NO IDEA.
>>Jimmy: REALLY?
THIS WAS A BAD EXPERIMENT.
WHY DON’T WE TAKE A BREAK.
AND THIS IS A WEIRD THING TO
SAY, MAYBE, BUT YOUR DANCING IN
THE MOVIE IS VERY GOOD.
YOU’RE GOOD DANCER.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>>[ BLEEP ].
>>Jimmy: TRAINING FOR THE
DANCING?
OR WAS THAT ALL JUST COMING FROM
INSIDE?
>>YEAH, THERE WERE TWO
SEQUENCES.
I WORKED WITH THIS CHOREOGRAPHER
NAMED MICHAEL ARNOLD WHO WORKED
ON THE SEQUENCE WITH THE STEPS
AND THE SEQUENCE WHERE I’M THE
CLOWN, WE WORKED ON THOSE, BUT
THAT PIECE WAS SOMETHING THAT
REALLY WAS A REACTION TO THE
SCORE TODD HAD JUST RECEIVED
THAT BIT OF SCORE FROM THE
COMPOSER.
AND WE WERE JUST TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT
SCENE, AND HE STARTED PLAYING ME
THAT MUSIC, AND WE JUST DECIDED
THAT IT, WE WANTED SOMETHING
THAT WAS JUST UM, ILLUSTRATED
THIS TRANSFORMATION INTO JOKER
THAT WAS NONVERBAL, AND THAT’S
WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.
>>Jimmy: IS THAT TYPICALLY HOW
IT GOES?
YOU HAVE THE SCORE BEFORE YOU’RE
FINISHED SHOOTING THE FILM?
>>NO.
I THINK SOMETIMES — I DON’T
REALLY KNOW, BUT THAT WAS THE
FIRST TIME I THINK THAT I’M
AWARE OF WHERE I WAS SO
INFLUENCED BIT SCORE.
>>Jimmy: DID YOU DANCE AS A
KID?
DO YOU HAVE ANY DANCE
BACKGROUND?
>>YEAH.
I DON’T WANT TO BRAG, BUT, I WAS
REALLY GOOD.
>>Jimmy: WERE YOU A GOOD
DANCER?
WERE YOU KNOWN AS A GOOD DANCER?
>>NOT NATIONALLY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>>SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
>>Jimmy: AMONG YOUR CIRCLE,
WHAT KIND OF DANCING DID YOU DO?
>>YOU NAME IT.
>>Jimmy: REALLY?
>>YEAH, BUT I MEAN, PROBABLY MY
FORTE WAS BREAK DANCING.
>>Jimmy: BREAK DANCING, REALLY?
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
ARE YOU TALKING POPPING AND
LOCKING, SPINNING?
>>YEAH.
>>Jimmy: EVERYTHING?
WOULD YOU DO IT OUT ON THE
STREET FOR PEOPLE TO SEE?
>>SOMETIMES, BUT IT WAS MORE
PERSONAL.
>>Jimmy: IT WAS?
>>YEAH, I LIKE TO KEEP IT FOR
MYSELF AS A PERSONAL.
SOMETHING INSIDE.
>>Jimmy: YOU AND A PIECE OF
CARDBOARD IN YOUR ROOM.
>>YOU’RE MAKING FUN OF IT, BUT
IT WAS SERIOUS FOR ME.
>>Jimmy: THIS MOVIE, IS IT A,
IT SEEMED GRUELING IN SOME WAYS.
JOKER’S LAUGHING A LOT.
AND NOT IN A FUN WAY.
MORE LIKE IN A ROBERT DE NIRO IN
“CAPE FEAR” KIND OF WAY.
DID IT JUST SEEM UNPLEASANT TO
DO?
WAS THAT THE CASE?
>>NO.
>>Jimmy: YOU HAD FUN MAKING THE
MOVIE?
>>YEAH.
I DID.
IT WAS A LIGHT SET, YOU KNOW.
TODD, YOU KNOW TODD.
>>Jimmy: TODD PHILLIPS IS THE
DIRECTOR.
>>REALLY FUNNY, AND, YEAH, I
FEEL ALMOST GUILTY, BUT WE HAD A
REA
REALLY GOOD TIME.
>>Jimmy: IT’S INTERESTING THAT
YOU SAY THAT, BECAUSE TODD
SEPTSENT
ME AN OUTTAKE REEL.
TELL ME WHAT WAS HAPPENING HERE.
>>THE CONSTANT WHISPERING, JUST
SHUT THE [ BLEEP ] UP.
I’M TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING
REAL.
[ BLEEP ].
[ BLEEP ].
SORRY, [ BLEEP ].
IT’S NOT A BIG DEAL.
IT’S NOT A BIG DEAL.
YEAH.
IT IS.
[ BLEEP ].
I KNOW YOU STARTED [ BLEEP ]
EVERYTHING, LARRY.
[ BLEEP ].
MAKING FUN OF ME.
[ BLEEP ].
IT’S NOT EVEN AN INSULT.
REALLY?
HOW’S THAT A [ BLEEP ]ING
INSULT?
[ BLEEP ] I CAN’T DO THIS, MAN.
>>Jimmy: WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
WHO’S LARRY?
>>UM.
[ LAUGHTER ]
UM, YEAH, LARRY IS THE
CINEMATOGRAPHER.
THIS IS SO EMBARRASSING.
>>Jimmy: AND DID HE CALL YOU
CHER?
>>UH, YEAH.
LOOK, SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES
MOVIES GET INTENSE, BECAUSE
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN A
SMALL SPACE AND YOU’RE TRYING TO
FIND SOMETHING.
SO IT REQUEST FEEL INTENSE, BUT
UM, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
PRIVATE.
>>Jimmy: YEAH, YEAH.
>>I’M A LITTLE EMBARRASSED.
I’M, I’M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
>>Jimmy: YEAH.
>>SORRY YOU GUYS HAD TO SEE
THAT.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>>Jimmy: I BELIEVE LARRY.
>>NO, IT’S NOT LARRY’S FAULT.
>>Jimmy: IT’S TOTALLY LARRY’S
FAULT, AND CHER’S FAULT IN A
WAY, YOU KNOW?
CHER DOES HAVE SOME OF THE
BURDEN TO TAKE FOR THIS.
>>SURE.
WELL, LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS A
BIT MORE.
>>Jimmy: OKAY, YOU DO THAT.
>>MY PUBLICIST WILL ISSUE A
FORMAL STATEMENT TOMORROW.
>>Jimmy: OKAY, THAT’S A GOOD
IDEA.
>>YEAH, CAN WE MOVE ON?
>>Jimmy: YEAH, IT’S OVER NOW,
SO IF YOU WANT TO GO CALL LARRY,
WE CAN DO IT.
>>WELL, I SHOULD PROBABLY
PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO LARRY.
>>Jimmy: YEAH, YOU PROBABLY
SHOULD.
>>LARRY?
I’M, THE THING IS, THOUGH,
[ LAUGHTER ]
I AM SORRY, BUT HE DID WHISPER,
LIKE CONSTANTLY WHILE WE’RE
TRYING TO WORK.
AND SOMETIMES IT’S REALLY HARD
TO FIND THE EMOTION THAT YOU’RE
AVE
AFTER, SO IT WAS WRONG OF ME,
BUT HE SHOULDN’T HAVE DONE IT.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
>>Jimmy: JOAQUIN PHOENIX!
“JOKER” OPENS IN THEATRES
FRIDAY.

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