An Intimate Conversation with Dr. Richard Harte Part 1 HD – Hypnotist Bernie’s Exposition

An Intimate Conversation with Dr. Richard Harte Part 1 HD – Hypnotist Bernie’s Exposition


hello and welcome to this episode of
hypnotist burn a sex position joining us
today is dr. Richard heard hey dr. Hart
how are you doing ok good to see you
good to see it with this year dr. Hart
is my mentor he’s my instructor for
certified instructor in the year two
thousand two I’ve known him for like
nine years ten years mmm no subpoena has
been a while yes we’ve had a good run
had a good friends with her well tell us
how did you got into the field of
hypnotism well it’s an interesting story
how I became involved this is
postgraduate actually it would post my
undergraduate training ok I was a
college graduate and I was sitting at a
party once right and I had been married
I got married at that time your honor
head my wife and I were sitting by any
there’s kind of an interesting thing we
were sitting in this living room by when
I was a hypnotist there oh yeah and the
people in the room had been to Jamaica
and they’ve been water skiing in my
maker with the seven at this right and
what happened was something really
interesting he said to me that would you
like to go there right and I said yes I
would like to go there right and because
i was just at this point you know i have
in a social party I never been there but
he came over to me did something silly I
don’t know what he did something like
this Satan and ha I was very receptive
at that point I and I closed my eyes and
next thing I know I’m water skiing in
middle of the living room oh wow yeah
and then he said to me something very
interesting to hypnotist night he said
to me where is your wife right my wife
was sitting on a couch and she was
pregnant ok at the time right and I was
looking right at her and I said to her I
said to him not I thought I said to him
no she’s back home in Washington I lived
in Washington I thought and she said he
said she’s in Washington as I’m looking
right at her right and then when he
brought me out of hypnosis right she’ll
push she was sitting there I him a whole
time I I said what was that about right
he said to me you were having a negative
hallucination oh wow in other words I
saw her but I didn’t
right which fascinated me right at that
point I hired him well I hired him to
train me right and he trained me in self
hypnosis right I don’t I was in a
printing business at the time right
there was i love you do it i was at a
pretty business i say and what he did he
hired me and he said to me ah during one
of our sessions he was teaching me self
hypnosis he put on at that time they had
records we didn’t write he had records
you don’t got a record like an ID when
they go ahead vinyl yeah and he turned
yo spinning reel in today’s age sir I
don’t know what about if I said to my
daughter what did we had record suit or
what records Ronnie it’s not like I went
to jail or so so so this Victrola was
playing dry like it hey it had to be on
for 15 or 20 minutes when I came out of
hypnosis you’ll never believe it I
almost verbatim repeated that record oh
wow now this made an impact me me and I
started to think how can I use this in
my business right which I started to do
in sales okay that was my impact I
started to realize that I could be very
persuasive using suggestion right I
started to understand i said i had to
understand understanding what suggestion
was about what so suggestion became my
mantra so to speak i started to research
everything about suggestion right and
suggestion management in fact as you
know i teach people how to work with
suggestions and and how you can use
suggestion whether it be in direct with
direct suggestion my hypnosis that’s
what I do oh right great hows it you so
after that you went to graduate school
right yes and you studied psychology
girls did you give use hypnosis or did
you study notice that yes so I would
have been a trained with hypnosis yes
right and why met remaining Frank shame
I was no longer alive
taught me a lot of things and the
interesting thing in graduate school was
I got into a program at long island
university right and I spent my time my
courses were all given a Creedmore
Psychiatric Center okay which is all
right the difficult place to take
courses book right but it was
interesting was fascinating I was not a
patient there i was there i got that on
the record so I was so the peep I was in
a program i got an unusual program
everybody already had their PhDs I don’t
have my PhD thought I loved it but I was
doing my postgraduate i right so what
happened is they were mostly researches
there right and what they were doing as
researchers very interesting they worked
with rats and pigeons right that’s early
and I’m a little mindset so they were
and I know I was close to ask an Aryan
Skinner bachelors again I was a
behaviorist really at that time that was
his his time of her self publishing
career a joris Kenya was dinner of the
right light yet so it’s kind of very
interesting with Skinner and he was it
is very interesting i was learning
behavior right so when I had a private
little small private practice from
working with people for smoking and from
weight and big so what they taught me
was all the things they were doing with
rats and pigeons right and what I would
do is I would take it and try them out
with I think with my clients okay 35
okay and then I come back to them right
I tell them what happened they said well
no no it only works on ratchet ratchet
if it doesn’t work our people he doesn’t
even give you before and I learned a lot
of innings from these people who work as
research is right in that setting right
and so then I want to got my PhD in
psychology and from there i was able to
open a private practice in New York and
what happened is I took over Harry
errands who may remember the name Hera
Harrods he had a business in South
Orange New Jersey right and he was older
and I studied with him for a year I
didn’t study I trained
and for a year in teaching right it took
over his business this is 1982 okay it
took over his business and then I moved
it to New York City right and with it I
took it developed a teaching practice
but I adapted his program to what we do
today right and then I took it and added
a lot of graduate level material to it
so that I that behind in I adapted it to
what we have today is a curriculum like
the National guild of hypnotist right
and I’m today not educational director
of the National gillray which is in new
New Hampshire right and so basically I
be created a teaching practice I went to
dr. do I Damon who was president of the
National guilt I said listen here’s the
problem again I’m going back in time now
Bernie to 1989 okay I’d been doing a lot
of studies I do everything I do I study
I do over some research on and I’d
worked with sales training i work with
smoking I’ll tell you the bad that in a
minute I said to dr. Damon in 1989 I
look problem what’s going on in the
field of hypnosis today I had a vision
my vision was I had been president for a
very short time of the association to
advance at the grad gnosis and I didn’t
like a lot of things that went on there
my time but today what I found out
happening is I said we have to start
sharing more with people in the world so
everybody starts to speak the same
language that’s what I had to do it and
I said let me write it curriculum that
we could teach you review it see if it
makes sense and we will start to teach
people with a new curricula that every
my teaching something else and this is
the way it started and what I did in my
first class I had 20 students in 1990
okay and but what I did because I came
from a business background huh I had
been in the business world for 20 years
what I said I have to do it this way i
have to create what we call a train the
trainer program right
but train-the-trainer means i have to
teach people but whatever we’re doing
and then i have to teach them how to
train others with it right that’s how
that evolved it was the first one ever
done in this here at this point so the
beauty of it was that first class I
remember took place in New York City at
my office I had 20 students and they
went out and today if I can expand on
this tell you today I’ve trained 1100
instructors in 40 countries Wow now my
vision originally was an even dark David
said to me at the time very interesting
he said maybe we’ll get a five-year run
out of this is here and also it’s 20
years later cool and I would have to say
having trained 1100 instructors I have
no idea how many people they’ve trained
and decide oh wow that means I’m talking
about from Taiwan to Singapore to write
to Italy talk to just how to cry my
crest from Tasmania Wow which is in
Australia right ah chubby he came a long
distance if the painting that keeps on
training hmm so it had legs clearly and
it’s a basic course by the way the goal
of this was not to make people into
psychologists right or or teach them
that it was to teach them how to work
with a tool the Rhinos hypnosis right
how to understand hypnosis and
suggestion right so that people and and
you know if you ask me now my definition
of hypnosis I would say to you I don’t
define hypnosis okay the reason I know
what the book says that no no no that
was not my definition the definition is
grohl your publishing thing all your
publishing has a definition okay but my
definition of it I wouldn’t define it
okay I don’t tell you what it’s like
okay and what it’s like is very simple
there’s a letting go process letting go
means we get past our analytical
critical burning that gets in the way
which only then enables us to focus in
on meeting phone helpful suggestions so
what’s going on with people in hypnosis
I don’t stir them because they don’t
think through these terms is that
they then become receptive they develop
a state of receptivity so whether I give
them suggestions that are going off to
where they give themselves suggestions
because my teach people self hypnosis
they if they accept the suggestion in a
receptive state it’s a pretty good
chance they’re going to carry it out
yeah yes turn right cuz if you go ahead
I’ll back hide out of it how did you
meet Harry Eric how did I meet him oh my
mentor Frank James had introduced me to
him ok tonari errands and I immediately
submit him he was he’s not alive anymore
but he was a strange name is a Russian
Amerson Russia will a very authoritative
tone okay and sometimes used to question
how he did hypnosis because he was very
authoritative okay and he would do
things to me for example very
interesting in a class I would teach
whether he’d let me teach my part and
it’s a good thing I was older I wasn’t I
was like 40 years old on his plan so I
did through you know my schooling good
things I was still going to school but
but he would say things to me if I said
something wrong in front of a class he’d
have a hundred doctors in the room or
psychologists and profession and he
would say stop so you need me at one
point he said dummkopf I remember he was
it would have to you know and if I was
younger I might have rated as I said you
know he would do something like that and
then when he did that of course
everybody felt sorry for me alright so
they you know when i malvolio he’s good
but I’ll you know through that crazy
process he really wasn’t trying to play
me I eventually took over his business
okay that’s how that happened great
what’s how do you see the get was
different today than when you first
approached Dwight David well we have the
gill the National guild of hypnotist has
approximately 12,000 members and 60
countries too
so this program that I’m the trainer
trainer program when I instructor let
our program became the feeder right for
new students all over the world right
and what’s different is the guild is
eclectic okay the difference between
that and all the other organizations
that exist in everything was secret in
those days ok so when Harry errands
taught or Brian William Brian or any of
these old-time has taught was theirs
they would share anything right did you
guys have a question they say you like
business is but they were not clinicians
handed they were really none of them
were clear Harry errands was a stage
hypnotist l-listen originally in New
Jersey so the laws were different at
that time because even in Florida for
example there were laws that hypnosis
when the books is voodoo or witchcraft
right and the people who had known and i
understand that on some level they had
to change there’s a guy a java call he’s
a good friend of my java calling new
harry errands very well he still he’s
about 80 Joe now and he lives in orlando
florida or potempa something right and
Joe had to overcome that so what he did
was he would only work under a doctor’s
referral right well so what was he
working on a doctor’s referral you can
do hypnosis ok you say right that’s what
took place in those days it’s changed
someone now obviously we’ve had a lot of
good press the show’s doing it’s it’s a
wonderful tool it may recognizes it my
so it’s no today I work for example with
cancer patients i work with ALS patients
I work with all I don’t know how does
the guild changed do you think since the
first time you have come across well
there’s this in two ways I think to
Warwick first of all we have a basic
curriculum they didn’t have a basic
curriculum so we have people who started
to study and like it back down night
well night when 1989 was much smaller I
don’t know I mean I think maybe we’ve
had
and members or under a thousand members
so the membership must go also dr. Damon
is a chiropractor so he’s a
professionally he had a vision that the
guild to become a profession it was not
a profession that might want and today
he calls that we have a distinct
profession right I mean we have a lot of
clout to know we have even have in the
United States union representative the
afl-cio where members belong to the
union we have in our midst right now
which we didn’t have them many
psychiatrists many psychologists social
workers physicians who are members of
the guilt and it’s really uh well
eclectic organization we sharing of
ideas i look at this conference we’re
having now we have 200 presenters right
on everything from nutrition to weight
loss to you name it to me how to how to
get into this profession how to make
each right I mean it’s big today I mean
we land we recognize the American
Psychological Association recognizes us
everybody everybody understands who we
are now right and we don’t have good job
we’re going we’re helping we’re helping
the world in many different ways and
most of the people in this field are
short term they do in short term work
right so if somebody wants to lose
weight they don’t have to come that’s
Jennifer oh no a year and a half right
what is the most memorable client again
or most memorable client well
interesting I just thought of one well
you know I’ve had so many clients over
the year thousands of clients I had a
client once years ago and this isn’t
this is not typical right okay but this
does happen because there’s number so
much neurosis in this our own that this
woman came to me she happened to be a
DuPont heiress okay and she came to read
for fear of driving okay so I’d work a
lot with fear of flying so I understood
had to
prefer so I use a technique called I use
hypnosis and systematic desensitization
as a way of working and she came to me
and told me her life story and I helped
you with the fear of driving right but
gee I didn’t know at that time what she
did it that she then took that and she
developed a fear of flying what so now I
was working with her for fear of flying
right when we helped her get on a plane
if you’re flying she had a fear of
flying a big planes and small planes you
developed a few I got small plane right
okay and it was like a circle right and
she came back tool for you driving oh
goodness she constantly I found out
through this process that she had her
just like she had a hairdresser and I
she had her nurse she had a lot of money
she had her exercise physiologist she
had a physician here she had a
psychologist view and I was just
wondering too late but I did not piss of
his whole thing it was like a revolving
door you know I get to sleep part about
her you know for the as a professional
in that field is I learned something
kill a lot of money what I was on I was
charging her sixty dollars at the time
burn right okay and and I remember I
should have been paying her because her
stories were so fascinating manager to
be our body burns I once attempted to
raise the price i said my fees are going
up she said well I remember looking at
my don’t you ever raise the price road
me as she frightened besides I’m lazy so
it’s a that was a memorable one because
now you know I judge two hundred fifty
dollars an hour but this was sixty
dollars but she wouldn’t budge an inch
me so so I had a good time with her and
then I joined her experience she doesn’t
hearse I helped her son and all it but
but nicely I was a beber okay but i have
several okay one I think was goodness
there’s a man years ago he was he’s not
alive anymore but he was president of at
that time burberry okay then he came to
me
ALS right ok Lou Gehrig’s disease then
he came to me he was still president of
burberry and he had a chauffeur who
drove him to my office and he had at
that point he’s walking with a cane what
he’d been I think you had it for about a
year now a normal person with ALS
usually has a prognosis of approximately
five years right and there was no
there’s no cure obviously for that and
it and what happened with him we
developed a tremendous rapport and yet
is a man it’s very interesting story do
we have time to tell this for me yes
welcome he has a very interesting case
he is a man about 55 years old he had
grandchildren little time is gets
remarried Sullivan a very successful man
her bright wonderful ability to use
imagery which I had determined through
some testing that I do right I’ll
explain as we go along and he when he
came to me he was still speaking
normally and you know and then his
nervous system started to change as we
work together he was in his pocket or I
give his name but I’m just trying to
figure out a way because of his imagery
how can I help him we recreate his
nervous system because his they’re all
there dying basically those me and we
together developed a plan that he could
because he was an artist he painted that
he could go home and develops scripts
for himself or imagery almost like if I
would say imagery like you know I don’t
work with cancer patients sometimes I’ll
have them imagine a shark eating a clam
okay and that’s the clam mr. is the
cancer cell so we’re destroying the
cancer cells so I knew that having read
I forget the name of the book I read
what do you know that but getting well
again right right simonton yes and those
of you by the way that here too should
read this book a little paper by
book called getting well again if any of
you work with or no cancer patients they
should I mean your audience should know
to read that book because it teaches you
what you have to do to survive right and
and it’s a wonderful book right but
anyway I worked with him and develop
this concept that he is the way we’re
going to work we’re going to create this
and you’re going to draw it right and
you’re gonna go home I taught him self
hypnosis hypnotize himself and allow his
nervous system to develop and grow
almost like having a tree and letting
the branches start growing again by
watering it right we still had to work
with his nervous system under hypnosis
right okay how’s that well I’m well know
what this a while ago the man died but
he lived eight years oh wow eight years
doing this in fact he developed his wife
they had some money so he developed a
walk which still exists in New York City
where they have a walk each year raising
money for ALS oh wow but I worked with
him and I it was a real affinity that
developed with he and I oh I’m not have
hundreds of cases like this I’m talking
about that are fascinating when I start
to to see the development of using
hypnosis as a means of it’s almost like
he was able to i do demonstrations with
automatic writing right you know
sometimes people cannot verbalize a
repressed material what oh the
interesting part of that story was this
oh I forgot to tell you the most
interesting when this guy grew up his
father and he had a brother but his
father thought he was a sissy a sissy
meaning somebody who was somewhat
effeminate at that time like he would
throw a ball like this instead of it so
he favored the brother years ago you’re
too young for this but years ago there
was a movie called the lou gehrig story
I think if you ever saw it or not but
the lou gehrig’s
sorry was about Luke Eric and how he
developed the disease his father took
him to see this store right the movie
both brothers he hated his father for
his father thinking of him this fight
okay he said to himself is very
interesting at that time I’m gonna get
that disease to punish my father no he
told me this under hypnosis Wow so I’m
thinking my god what a powerful thing
think of that well I’m gonna count that
he’s a kid well he comes out of hypnosis
for the first thing I said to him
because now he’s an adult might he had
the disease I said ho he was 17 at the
time came feel better I said that some
that contract is broken you are underage
like all the time I said you did no way
that’s a legal contract you could get
rid of any she’s right the first thing
the case of my my mr. black in the
moment it was very instinctive thing but
it’s true he was underage he made an
agreement right he had told me that he
his father was that at the time when I
was saying about he said he rarely work
things through but clearly he hadn’t
work things through on that level and
you know no sorry that sometimes you get
what you wish for right he got it wow
that was so you talk about suggestion
all right look how powerful I was right
17 and I was 55 and he contacts the
disease wow that’s a fun that is weird
that is that bloom you blew my mind and
you can make these stuff no the kid you
can’t make it out yeah so it’s a
powerful story yeah okay what’s the
craziest students you ever got stupid
yeah beside you the second Christmas
demica student and praise your student I
would have a give me tell me when you
talk about crazy Oh like you know
memorable in a registry in an outrageous
way
um don’t think of somebody who would
have done that I don’t like to use the
word crazy ok another night uh you know
people play with hypnosis sometimes and
then they do things that I shudder with
you know I know for example i’m not a
great believer myself and my past life
regression right even though i’ve been
past life regression and when i send on
a believer i don’t i don’t like you know
especially when people are not trained i
know there’s a tendency sometimes for
people who want to become analysts right
and they always think you have to find
the precipitating event right so people
do things like that i don’t know that
i’ve had i’ve had people who i can
truthfully say yeah I have a I mean
you’re probably one in a wildest
students I’m just taking it throw in a
very interesting way but I don’t I
really can’t tell you other thing I mean
I thought I’ve trade the thousand soon
so you have all normal and people i have
people who are a more inventive and
creative right i do like you do who take
it gnosis two different levels which I
it makes me very proud that people do
that you know so I mean I’ve had a lot
of episodes in class I mean I had that
would be a better question at what’s the
most memorable episodes yeah i mean i
know i’ve had all kinds of things
because I’ve done regression with people
okay there’s nothin I had I’ll tell you
one thing ok i will tell you something
that that kind of taught me a lot that
would help me i had a student come from
Italy okay a woman her name was I won’t
use her nothing yeah and she was with a
guy as a psychologist Italy right and
they do things when they teach in Italy
they lecture a lot but they don’t
there’s not a lot of interaction to goes
on right but this guy developed a
concept over there which they hired me
to Americanize right okay and it was
called the bed Emilio technique been
amelia was the psychologist dog in their
own thing and it deals Duff a lot with
understanding symbolism right and how
once it’s is like for example you’re
sitting now with your hand like this and
it comes from South China really a long
time ago you could be a pole assert a
triangle or a circle okay okay a pole
representing a father okay that triangle
representing a mother right the circle
is through life experience you do so
body language tells us alive what this
meant for me is that I could do things I
do a lot of things I think you know I do
a lot of things I do corporate
consulting I take my psychology and
business I could sit back and I act as a
for example of a guru to CEO some major
corporations right I’ve trained at
Motorola I’ve trained in estee lauder I
strained the mutual benefit life and
merrill lynch and that’s something that
I did for many years ah and I teach and
I have a private practice that’s how
I’ve made my life work I’ll come to
something later but when I did my
graduate work I learned my dissertation
was imagination qua persistence meaning
imagination and persistence are the same
thing okay don’t we go on with that
right okay I’m suggesting my hypothesis
laws that if people have a vivid
imagination right they have the
potential it’s keyword
potential to persists for longer periods
of time add agreed-upon tasks agreed
upon they have to agree that’s why in
car companies today lots of work doesn’t
get done because the people are doing
and don’t agree with management to do
them so they sabotage it in somewhere
for and they don’t get it done right
that’s the difference right but if you
haven’t agreed upon task right you see
I’m saying if you have a vivid
imagination right and I designed to test
that measures this right and at some
point during my research I took a leap
right I said if I was trying to find out
how people follow suggestions on that
note we need to take a break we’ll be
right back

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